Ubuntu Meeting For Linuxmalaysia Ubuntu Member

Taken from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/04/28/%23ubuntu-meeting.html

I have cut it short, to show only my details. Thank you to Malaysian Ubuntu Team for supporting me.

http://www.ubuntu.com.my/

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* persia peers about
10:57	lifeless	hoi
10:58	hemanth	hi
10:58	amachu	hi
10:58	linuxmalaysia	hi
10:58	amachu	lifeless: persia: elky: Hi
10:59	elky	oh, it's that day...
10:59	elky	hi!
11:00	amachu	elky: hi
11:00	amachu	TheMuso?
11:00	amachu	persia: there?
11:00	persia	TheMuso may not be around: there was mail to the ubuntustudio list that implied being away.
11:01	amachu	okie
11:01	lifeless	he mailed the meeting list too
11:01	amachu	we are four here now
11:01	lifeless	rather more explicitly than implied
11:01	amachu	lets begin
11:02	amachu	beltz: zakame: TheMuso: missing
11:02	lifeless	this one time, at the asia pac membership board
11:04	amachu	lifeless: persia: elky: lets begin
11:04	persia	Sounds good.
11:04	amachu	so here is the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
11:04	amachu	let me call one after other
11:04	amachu	hemanth: Hi
11:04	amachu	are you there?
11:04	hemanth	amachu: hi
11:48	amachu1	ok.. linuxmalaysia: are you there?
11:48	linuxmalaysia	yes
11:48	linuxmalaysia	Im here
11:48	rawang	hi
11:48	ApOgEE-	go go linuxmalaysia !!
11:49	rawang	is the meeting under going?
11:49	amachu1	Please go ahead
11:49	linuxmalaysia	ok tq
11:49	linuxmalaysia	Im Harisfazillah Jamel
11:49	linuxmalaysia	Im from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
11:49	linuxmalaysia	Im now working with project Open Source Competency Centre (OSCC), MAMPU as RnD Team Lead.
11:49	persia	elky, It's not a network issue: entirely software.
11:49	linuxmalaysia	OSCC Promoting and providing OSS policy in Malaysia public sector.
11:50	linuxmalaysia	http://opensource.mampu.gov.my/
11:50	linuxmalaysia	Linux user since 1998
11:50	linuxmalaysia	Ubuntu user since 2006
11:50	linuxmalaysia	Wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/linuxmalaysia
11:50	linuxmalaysia	Lauchpad Profile : https://launchpad.net/~linuxmalaysia
11:50	elky	linuxmalaysia, you came to us last meeting, yes?
11:50	linuxmalaysia	yes but im stuck with other management meeting
11:51	lifeless	linuxmalaysia: in mysig, was that every weekend you did classes?
11:51	elky	ok, it's not dejavu then :D
11:51	linuxmalaysia	Yes. We do our classes every weekend since 2001 till 2004. Later I continue with classess in OSCC.
11:52	lifeless	is that still every weekend?
11:52	lifeless	or some less hectic schedule?
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11:52	amachu1	linuxmalaysia: would like to know more on your Ubuntu contributions..
11:52	linuxmalaysia	This group dormant since 2004. But It our main Agenda now to active back MySIG
11:52	linuxmalaysia	Ubuntu LOCO Team is involved with this
11:53	elky	linuxmalaysia, what have you done since we last spoke to you?
11:53	lifeless	linuxmalaysia: with OSCC, how often do you do classes?
11:53	linuxmalaysia	Im the adminstrator for Ubuntu Mirror
11:53	linuxmalaysia	http://mirror.oscc.org.my/ubuntu/
11:54	linuxmalaysia	In oscc it all depand on training unit. Usual training desktop may occur once a month
11:54	lifeless	ok, thats part of your job now?
11:54	linuxmalaysia	Im also involved with Ubuntu Malay Translation
11:54	linuxmalaysia	for Ubuntu
11:55	linuxmalaysia	Ive create this page to promote the Malay translation
11:55	linuxmalaysia	http://knowledge.oscc.org.my/practice-areas/rnd/projek-terjemahan-bahasa-melayu
11:55	persia	I notice a bit of a gap in your recent translations, from January through April.  What happened?
11:55	hemanth1	lifeless: amachu1: persia:sorry I was offline
11:55	hemanth1	lifeless: amachu1: persia:power fail
11:55	persia	hemanth, I'll copy you log in a /query
11:55	lifeless	hemanth1: that end vote was +2, from 4 votes
11:56	linuxmalaysia	Im in management team for OSCC. beginning of the years Im involved with meeting related to policy decision
11:56	hemanth1	lifeless: what does it imply
11:56	lifeless	hemanth1: we're onto another applicant now - please read persia's log, and we can chat briefly with you after the current applicant
11:56	linuxmalaysia	Im going to continue that after MSC OSCONF 2009 this june.
11:56	hemanth1	ok
11:58	linuxmalaysia	another my contribution is by pushing OSCC products to used lauchpad
11:58	linuxmalaysia	we start with MyMeeting
11:58	linuxmalaysia	https://launchpad.net/mymeeting
11:58	elky	how is that an Ubuntu contribution?
11:59	linuxmalaysia	We would like the agencies to used Ubuntu as its easy to install and most of the IT personnels know ubuntu then any other distro
11:59	linuxmalaysia	MyMeeting is a online meeting management for Malaysian government build and support by OSCC MAMPU
11:59	e-jat	https://edge.launchpad.net/~oscc/+archive/ppa
12:00	lifeless	I'm +0.5
12:00	elky	i understand you're doing alot for Linux, but i'm failing to see how many of these things are contributions to Ubuntu *specifically*
12:00	lifeless	my reasons are: you've shown solid and committed (wow, years of weekly volunteer weekend classes) contributions in the past, but current contributions seem sketchy and perhaps somewhat limited to what your job needs
12:01	linuxmalaysia	elky.
12:01	linuxmalaysia	I'm using Ubuntu for more than 3 years now. I've also suggest and implement the used of Ubuntu Desktop in OSCC MAMPU. All solution related to office environment in OSCC MAMPU is base on Ubuntu. Every thing is Ubuntu in our office.
12:01	e-jat	elky, linuxmalaysia always be a speaker .. especially using ubuntu in government agencies
* GunbladeIV here as one of linuxmalaysia fans :D
12:01	linuxmalaysia	My attention is to put our office environment as all out Open Source office example for government agencies in Malaysia. Ubuntu is the key to promote and tools to change the Desktop of each computers in Malaysian Government to used Open Source Software and solutions.
12:01	amachu1	linuxmalaysia: are there people supporting you here?
12:01	e-jat	amachu1, me
12:01	lifeless	amachu1: e-jat and GunbladeIV are
12:01	linuxmalaysia	It's harder than it's look, users rejection and attack from vendor but I believe we can do that. We have prove ourself Ubuntu Desktop can work in office environment and we want to duplicate it around Malaysia.
12:01	itiknila	amachu1. me
12:01	ApOgEE-	amachu1, yeah me too...
12:01	persia	linuxmalaysia, Yes, but the stuff you're referencing is about promoting all of open source, which is where the question is raised.
12:02	amachu1	and the wiki too lacks testimonials
12:02	elky	promoting launchpad is not really an Ubuntu contribution. Launchpad != Ubuntu
* ApOgEE- is here to support linuxmalaysia
12:02	norly	/me support linuxmalaysia
12:02	linuxmalaysia	persia : Ubuntu is part of Open Source and I believe by promoting Open Source we are also promoting Ubuntu
12:02	GunbladeIV	persia: he is promoting all of open source due to work policy, but Ubuntu is the main OS being promoted.
12:03	bizkut	elky, he developes MyMeeting on top of Ubuntu, hence promoting Ubuntu as it's base
12:03	linuxmalaysia	because each time Im doing my talks in conference I'll will show ubuntu when I present
12:03	amachu1	linuxmalaysia: certainly.. the OSCC MAMPU seminars you have referred dates back to June 2008..
12:04	linuxmalaysia	In our exbition we always sjowcase ubuntu to the visitors and participant
12:04	ApOgEE-	elky, most of the government people in Malaysia know Ubuntu via OSCC ...
12:04	linuxmalaysia	distibuted free Ubuntu
12:04	amachu1	you have done good job in the past..
12:04	GunbladeIV	+ to ApOgEE- 's point
12:04	linuxmalaysia	we print ourself more than 1000 Ubuntu CD for this purpose
12:05	lifeless	raising my vote to +1
12:05	GunbladeIV	amachu1: and in the future too.. please look for http://mscoscon.my
12:05	lifeless	I think linuxmalaysia falls in the 'hard to quantify' category
12:05	GunbladeIV	amachu1: generally linuxmalaysia help a lot ubuntu-my community to help promoting ubuntu during the conference
12:05	e-jat	linuxmalaysia n me also having meeting with canonical for desktop project in malaysia schools
12:05	linuxmalaysia	It is not easy to get the buy in from the management. but believe me by promoting OSS and making Ubuntu the main example nad show them it works.
12:06	amachu1	GunbladeIV: thats Open Source.. comprising all..
12:06	elky	lifeless, indeed, i'm mostly seeing pure coincidence
12:07	linuxmalaysia	elky yes. Promoting OSS need examples. A good one and I believe Ubuntu has done that.
12:07	amachu1	i do understand linuxmalaysia is taking Ubuntu wherever he can as his priority, over others
12:08	ApOgEE-	amachu1, Ubuntu-my got a big slot at classroom and hands-on tutorial at MSCOSCON.my
12:08	linuxmalaysia	amachu: Thanks Ubuntu always the main disto for me and the others in OSCC to promote OSS
12:08	lifeless	elky: governments have a tendancy to be allergic to single supplier products; so folk tendering/suggesting tools often have to position things more generically even when only one product is what they want to put in
12:08	lifeless	elky: see all the fuss about open documentation standards for instance
12:09	elky	amachu1, indeed. however i'm mildly annoyed that i asked for specific things, and got vagueness back.
12:09	linuxmalaysia	lifeless : yes I agreed. But if you can show to them Ubuntu is better than the others thjat should be not a problem
12:09	GunbladeIV	amachu1: indeed - but we need to promote ubuntu through this kind of events due to awareness level in my is low atm. and he is the one making it happen.
12:09	e-jat	http://tinyurl.com/cbcazs <--  linuxmalaysia actively join ubuntu-my meetup
12:09	persia	linuxmalaysia, So, to repeat a question from above, there seems to have been a gap in your translations activity this spring.  What happened?
12:09	lifeless	persia: ITYM this autumn
12:09	persia	GunbladeIV, e-jat We'd really prefer to have linuxmalaysia answer the questions.
* e-jat sorry ..
12:10	persia	lifeless, Hrm, perhaps.
12:10	GunbladeIV	persia: roger :) - unplug my keyboard
12:10	linuxmalaysia	persia: Im involved with management meeting that related to planning of OSCC early each years
12:10	lifeless	persia: as much as autumn/spring apply to malaysia :)
12:10	linuxmalaysia	usualy Im more active after mid years
12:10	persia	lifeless, No, I mean sprint
12:10	persia	s/sprint/spring/
12:10	elky	lifeless, i understand that. and i'm trying to decide what number to vote since i got cryptic answers to everything i asked.
12:10	lifeless	elky: kk
12:11	lifeless	persia: hmm, just north of the equator...ok ;)
12:11	linuxmalaysia	It not easy to balance between jobs, family and contribution to Ubuntu
12:11	persia	lifeless, By the smallest amount: I had to check.
12:11	lifeless	:)
12:12	linuxmalaysia	but I want to make the best of my time to contribute to Ubuntu mostly malay translation
12:13	linuxmalaysia	we have gap for many years since last translation projects
12:13	linuxmalaysia	Ive make a page for this to promote ubuntu translation
12:13	linuxmalaysia	http://knowledge.oscc.org.my/practice-areas/rnd/projek-terjemahan-bahasa-melayu
12:13	elky	linuxmalaysia, /rnd/ meaning random?
12:14	linuxmalaysia	RnD = Research and Development
12:14	elky	ah
12:14	linuxmalaysia	Im also in talk with Gen Kanai from Mozilla to get the po from Ubuntu transaltion to commit Malay po to main branch
12:15	elky	i think i'll go +0.5. but i'm still quite confused at what is actually a conscious contribution to ubuntu and what is mere coincidence.
12:16	linuxmalaysia	Elky: Im promoting OSS by using Ubuntu
12:16	linuxmalaysia	by making OSCC office to used Ubuntu
12:16	linuxmalaysia	by making all the managers to used ubuntu
12:16	linuxmalaysia	by making all our talk in seminars to used Ubuntu
12:17	bizkut	http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2009/04/01/bahasa-malaysia-mozilla-firefox/
12:17	linuxmalaysia	We have create interest in government agencies to used ubuntu as their desktop solutions
12:18	linuxmalaysia	and 2 of agencies already used ubuntu as total ubuntu in theire office that can be total up to 200 users
12:18	elky	amachu1, persia? did you two vote yet?
12:18	linuxmalaysia	We are now pushing more agencies to change to Linux desktop aka Ubuntu desktop
12:18	amachu1	linuxmalaysia: are you the person who is going to handle the talk on Ubuntu at http://www.mscmalaysia.my/osconf
12:18	persia	I'm +1.  I'm not convinced just from the MyOSS stuff, as from what I can see it's very generic, but when so many recognisable names from ubuntu-my speak in favour, that's enough to tip the balance.
12:19	amachu1	linuxmalaysia: hearing me?
12:20	elky	hes still in the channel
12:20	lifeless	linuxmalaysia: 21:13 < amachu1> linuxmalaysia: are you the person who is going to handle the talk on Ubuntu at http://www.mscmalaysia.my/osconf
12:20	linuxmalaysia	Nope it will be handle by Ubuntu-my loco
12:20	lifeless	linuxmalaysia: who is presenting the talk
12:20	linuxmalaysia	but the slot, installfest and booth is manage by me
12:21	e-jat	lifeless, beluz n maybe prakash advani from canonical
12:21	e-jat	lifeless, im inviting belutz to be one of the speaker for ubuntu slot in MSC OSCONF 2009
12:21	linuxmalaysia	so ive busy time with handling all that
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12:21	linuxmalaysia	beluz and parkash will be handling the talk
12:21	amachu1	linuxmalaysia: thats the confusion.. more generic stuff onto the wiki which is supposed to give a clear info on your sustained contribution to Ubuntu
12:22	linuxmalaysia	our idea is to get 3 persons from ubuntu on the stages, beluz, parkash and one from loco to present on the talk
12:23	linuxmalaysia	amachu1: Yes I believe I should write more on my contribute in term of Ubuntu
12:23	linuxmalaysia	by Im myself not easy to brag abour oneself
12:23	linuxmalaysia	talk less work more
12:23	elky	linuxmalaysia, get your teammates to write down what they know you've done, then you bulk it out.
12:24	linuxmalaysia	elky ok will do that
12:24	itiknila	Nature of a Malaysian: We don't brag....much! haha
12:24	amachu1	elky: I would give +1, based on proof of contributions for almost few years now and the presence of Loco team members supporting linuxmalaysia
12:24	elky	itiknila, he's done plenty of bragging tonight. just none with clear links
12:25	linuxmalaysia	thanks amachu
12:25	amachu1	so 3 out of 4 for linuxmalaysia, right?
12:25	linuxmalaysia	elky this one of them http://blog.harisfazillah.info/2008/06/trip-to-miri-sarawak-malaysia.html
12:26	itiknila	answering questions != bragging
12:26	linuxmalaysia	we bring along Ubuntu CD to all OSCC seminars and ditribute to participant
12:26	linuxmalaysia	*participants
12:26	amachu1	persia: lifeless: elky: I welcome linuxmalaysia!
12:27	amachu1	is that fine?
12:27	elky	amachu1, i was and still am +0.5, so 3.5
12:27	linuxmalaysia	Thank you amachu
12:27	amachu1	elky: cool..
12:27	linuxmalaysia	elky. Still thanks for me. Im will brag more about ubuntu
12:27	linuxmalaysia	*from me
12:27	amachu1	linuxmalaysia: Welcome! keep up the good work..
12:27	hemanth1	linuxmalaysia: congrats
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12:28	linuxmalaysia	Thanks amachu
12:28	rawang	congrats linuxmalaysia :)
12:28	itiknila	linuxmalaysia: Congrat!s!
12:28	linuxmalaysia	tnks hemanth
12:28	amachu1	raywang?
12:28	rawang	amachu1, yeah :)
12:28	amachu1	rawang: its your turn
12:28	rawang	is it my turn?
12:28	rawang	ok
12:28	e-jat	amachu1, so linuxmalaysia in ?
12:28	amachu1	e-jat: yes
12:29	linuxmalaysia	tq all. tq to Malaysian LOCO team
12:29	lifeless	congrats linuxmalaysia
12:29	elky	linuxmalaysia, to be pedantic i am going to point out that it's LoCo :P
12:29	linuxmalaysia	thanks lifeless
12:30	e-jat	elky, :)
12:30	linuxmalaysia	thanks elky. By loco supports Im accepted
12:31	rawang	couldn't i become the membership if my contribution is less then linuxmalaysia? :P
12:31	rawang	ok, should i start or wait for you ask?
12:32	persia	rawang, Please introduce yourself.
12:32	rawang	ok

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